Posted by 474645 4 days ago

On Reveal effects are not negated just because a card dies. A dead Iron Fist still moves the next card, Shuri still buffs the next card, etc.
So destroying an On Reveal card after its effect already triggered doesn't change anything.

However, Cosmo explicitly does prevent On Reveal effects from triggering. If an On Reveal card is played on the same location as Cosmo on the same turn, there are two options:
1. Cosmo reveals last and thus is not effectively on the location when the On Reveal is revealed and thus triggers; so the effect is not negated (see above).
2. Cosmo reveals first and his effect is indeed on the location when the On Reveal is revealed; so it is stopped.

I hope this explains the mechanics, if it doesn't feel free to ask!

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

That is utterly stupid and would be the first house rule I would introduce if this were a physical game. Card has to be present and on reveal effect active for it to affect any other card. Wow….

Posted by 285024 4 days ago

It's not stupid, it's exactly how other card games like Magic: The Gathering work too. Destroying a card doesn't randomly negate the enter the battlefield effects.

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

that's not what "on reveal" means. "on reveal" means "on reveal." shuri's ability activates ON REVEAL. when she is REVEALED. it seems pretty clear to me idk.

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

When would Red Skull “have entered” the battlefield? When placed down, or when flipped over?

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

i believe his power is determined before he flips over, but i don't think there is a situation in which it matters

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

that changes nothing with shuri's text though

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

I am arguing not so much her text but the fact that Shuri wasn’t there when Red Skull flipped over, or as I perceive it, when he was revealed.

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

shuri's ability has nothing to do with when the next card is revealed. it has to do with when she is revealed. that is what on reveal abilities do and mean

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

Analogy time…. I announce the next person who meets me at a specific location will get a gift from me. I leave and never return before the next person arrives. Does the next person who arrives get that gift? No I am not there. Hence why if an On Reveal card is not there, it’s effect should not apply

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

yeah that's not the case. in this case, as soon as you arrive at the location. you put the gift at your feet. the gift is now separate from your body and the gift does not care if you continue to stand next to it or take the next flight to china, never to be heard from again. the gift is still there

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

And when gambit rolled into that location, he killed that gift. There is NO counter. Wonder if the upcoming Shuri nerf is….

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

i mean you can argue all you want but it doesn't make you right. in your example, gambit killed YOU. the gift is still sitting there by your empty shoes. it is invincible and cannot be prevented in any way once it is place

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

Listen, I get it now…. 100% understand where I got confused. I can be 100% wrong, but I still think it is utterly dumb. Would house rule that in a physical game.

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

That's the entire point of on reveal effects, they are activated once the card is revealed

If you hazmat someone and then your hazmat is destroyed, the cards don't revert to their original power

If you cloak someone and then your cloak is destroyed, you can still move cards to that location the next turn. This is a good example because it's a delayed on reveal just like shuri

If you heimdall and then it gets destroyed, the cards don't all move back to the right lol

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

you can't call back on reveal effects once they are activated, which makes total and complete sense

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

Ok hazmat, I would not expect for the damage to be undone. However, cards unflipped after she is de-powered or removed from play in the same turn should not have their power reduced though.

Posted by 343876 4 days ago

Forge, Iron Fist, Cloak, Zero, and Shuri all have similar effects that work the same way. They are a delayed on reveal and the only cards in the game like that, where their effect persists after death. but it makes total sense that it would. it's consistent across this game and other games too

Posted by 274475 4 days ago

Has your confusion been helped? Because these forums are not for discussion topics. Take it to a PM.

If you have suggestions, you can leave a ticket here...https://marvelsnap.helpshift.com/hc/en/3-marvel-snap/faq/124-i-want-to-make-suggestions/

Posted by 101323 4 days ago

/sarcasm Lololol, no I am still confused by a game mechanic is disagree with.
/sarcasm off Thanks for the help RughPoo, Lazernerd, and Ezom